http://fs.fai.org/forum/ Forum for discussion about FS and scoring in general en-US Thu, 18 Mar 2010 16:50:24 +0000 http://bbpress.org/?v=1.0.1 q http://fs.fai.org/forum/search.php http://fs.fai.org/forum/topic/jump-the-gun-factor-error-%c2%bfmal-calculo-de-jump-the-gun-factor#post-398 Sun, 14 Mar 2010 12:13:44 +0000 rafalopez 398@http://fs.fai.org/forum/ <p>Es que no coincido contigo respecto a la duracion de vuelo y donde aplicar la penalizacion.<br /> EL tiempo se aplica solo entre el SSS oficial y el corte del ESS.<br /> El tiempo adicional de adelantamiento se tiene en cuanta solo para calcular l apenalizacion conb el JG y por esto usar un ceheficiente 1 no penaliza nada, usar coheficiente 0 te penaliza todo el vuelo de velocidad... etc. </p> http://fs.fai.org/forum/topic/jump-the-gun-factor-error-%c2%bfmal-calculo-de-jump-the-gun-factor#post-397 Wed, 10 Mar 2010 22:55:14 +0000 chomin 397@http://fs.fai.org/forum/ <p>Hola Rafa:<br /> Perdona por el retraso.<br /> No entiendo muy bien lo que quieres decir. Sea cual sea la anticipación ( sea 1 minuto o sean 3 min y 24 seg) el resultado es una penalización de una vez menos el factor que indicas. Lo de 1 minuto era solo un ejemplo para que se viera mas fácilmente.<br /> Es decir si el adelanto sobre la salida son 5 min con un factor 10 FS aumenta su vuelo en 45 min (9 veces)y no en 50 min (10 veces)</p> <p>Yo creo que no es correcto, entre otras cosa, porque ocurre una cosa curiosa:<br /> -Con un factor de cero, si el piloto se adelanta, puntúa cero en tiempo. Este funcionamiento me parece correcto (en algunas competiciones se elimina al piloto de la manga).<br /> -Con un factor de 1 entiendo que el piloto debiera tener una penalización igual a su anticipación (1 vez su adelanto). Pero el resultado de FS es que el piloto puntúa sin penalización, sin aumento en la duración de su vuelo (puntúa con la duración real de su vuelo).<br /> Ya que el resultado en FS es uno menos del que indicas en la formula. Como habíamos puesto 1 pues el resultado es cero penalización. Pruébalo.</p> <p>En una prueba carrera a gol con salida no tiene sentido dejar que el que salga antes no tenga castigo, sino de de que vale poner una salida. Y esto es lo que pasa con factor 1.</p> <p>Gracias.<br /> Chomin. </p> http://fs.fai.org/forum/topic/jump-the-gun-factor-error-%c2%bfmal-calculo-de-jump-the-gun-factor#post-396 Fri, 05 Mar 2010 13:08:50 +0000 rafalopez 396@http://fs.fai.org/forum/ <p>"Nosotros hemos optado por poner un factor 11 para obtener un 10."</p> <p>Si tu adelantamiento es 1 minuto te sirve pero que haras si el adelantamiento es 3 minutos? usaras JG13? y asi en cada caso?<br /> el JG es correcto desde mi manera de ver.. se agrega al final del vuelo y siempre porque el tiempo se mide desde que se inicia el ESS. </p> http://fs.fai.org/forum/topic/jump-the-gun-factor-error-%c2%bfmal-calculo-de-jump-the-gun-factor#post-395 Fri, 05 Mar 2010 12:22:35 +0000 chomin 395@http://fs.fai.org/forum/ <p>Hola Rafa:</p> <p>Con lo cual la penalizacion real no son 10 veces la anticipacion sino 9 (uno menos que el factor que elijes).<br /> Si esto debe ser asi no está muy bien explicado. Y lo que es mas importante los pilotos entienden que una penalizacion o factor de 10 aumentará su vuelo con 10 veces su anticipacion y no 9.<br /> Nosotros hemos optado por poner un factor 11 para obtener un 10.</p> <p>Gracias. </p> http://fs.fai.org/forum/topic/jump-the-gun-not-work-is-not-sss#post-394 Fri, 05 Mar 2010 10:04:39 +0000 rafalopez 394@http://fs.fai.org/forum/ <p>Hello, we have been using this year, 2009, Fs and Formula GAP2007A JG = 20 However, we find a situation in which we consider not just how it works.</p> <p>If a driver starts early to get the SSS and not the ESS, will have no penalty.</p> <p>Example:</p> <p>"Pilot A" Part 5 minutes before starting to SSS, and 60.200 kilometers flies and gets points for leadership "Pilot B" part in the flying hours and 60.100 kilometers SSS Punctuation receive less for their distance and leadership.</p> <p>We think 2 possible solutions and would like a new GAP2008 --- perhaps GAP2008A ...</p> <p>I have defined to express it as JTGD podes (Jump the Gun on Distance) should act only if the pilot anticipates ESS or SSS no goal ..</p> <p>1 .- JTGD flight time: completing the flight the pilot before landing, this time is given by JGTD * minutes early 2 .- JTGD = JTG * fixed distance every minute of advance (where Km JTD / minute) We'd like to have the 2 options.</p> <p>I hope you understand the translation </p> http://fs.fai.org/forum/topic/jump-the-gun-factor-error-%c2%bfmal-calculo-de-jump-the-gun-factor#post-393 Fri, 05 Mar 2010 09:55:54 +0000 rafalopez 393@http://fs.fai.org/forum/ <p>La penalizacion se aplica sobre le horario de ESS.<br /> En tu caso se suman los 10 minutos al horario en que llego a ESS.</p> <p>1 minuto * jg factor (10)= 10 minutos penalizacion.<br /> Fin de vuelo sin penalizacion= 10:59:00<br /> Fin de vuelo con penalizacion = 10:59:00 +00:10:00 = 11:09:00</p> <p>En un race to goal el tiempo inicial siempre esta dado por SSS, sin importar el horario real de inicio del piloto (exceptuando si lo hace antes, cuando se aplica JG o se pierde el vuelo si no usas JG) </p> http://fs.fai.org/forum/topic/jump-the-gun-factor-error-%c2%bfmal-calculo-de-jump-the-gun-factor#post-392 Wed, 03 Mar 2010 23:00:41 +0000 chomin 392@http://fs.fai.org/forum/ <p>Hello:</p> <p>Example:</p> <p>Factor: 10<br /> First Start gate time: 10:00:00<br /> Started SS: 9:59:00<br /> Finished SS: 10:59:00<br /> Flight time: 1:00:00<br /> Advancement: 1 min =&gt; penalization: 10 min<br /> penalized Flight time 1:10:00</p> <p>Correct Final results:<br /> SS: 10:00:00<br /> ES: 11:10:00</p> <p>FS bad final results:<br /> SS: 10:00:00<br /> ES: 11:09:00</p> <p>FS scores it bad.</p> <p>Chomin. </p> http://fs.fai.org/forum/topic/waypoint-file-including-compid#post-391 Wed, 03 Mar 2010 20:43:26 +0000 SteinS 391@http://fs.fai.org/forum/ <p>If the pilots use GpsDump to upload the waypoints there is a simpler way for you.<br /> Use the following format of the waypoint file:</p> <p>$FormatGEO<br /> BRA055 N 47 49 45.96 E 011 07 40.14 550 BRAEUNIGER<br /> HV1042 N 59 30 16.98 E 009 59 49.98 425 HV101 GR-TTERUD S<br /> HV1032 N 59 28 58.02 E 010 04 12.00 325 HV102 GLANEBERGET<br /> COM000 N 04 05 06.00 E 001 02 03.00 0 COMPID</p> <p>The 3 first waypoints are examples. The last waypoint denotes a COMPID of 123456. If your original waypoint list is in a different format the geo format can easily be generated by GpsDump. </p> http://fs.fai.org/forum/topic/waypoint-file-including-compid#post-390 Tue, 02 Mar 2010 18:14:50 +0000 ETN001 390@http://fs.fai.org/forum/ <p>Hi there,<br /> I recently download latest GPSDUMP version for preparing the next Belgian Paragliding Open in Laragne in June.<br /> To gain time during pilot registration, I wish to send them before a file with waypoints including the compid.<br /> The only way I found until now would be<br /> 1. send waypoint+compid to my GPS<br /> 2. download waypoint from my GPS to my PC<br /> 3. erase GPS waypoint and start again for another competitor.</p> <p>Is there a more rapid way to do the job ?<br /> I did not find an easy way to create a waypoint file including the compid except by sending to a GPS.</p> <p>Thanks </p> http://fs.fai.org/forum/topic/jump-the-gun-factor-error-%c2%bfmal-calculo-de-jump-the-gun-factor#post-389 Fri, 12 Feb 2010 17:22:37 +0000 chomin 389@http://fs.fai.org/forum/ <p>Hola:</p> <p>Al hacer unas pruebas me ha parecido que calcula mal la penalización por salir antes del comienzo del startgate. Bueno, o lo hace mal o lo he entendido mal. Me explico.</p> <p>Yo entiendo que con factor de 10 ("Jump the gun factor = 10"), la penalización consiste en añadir a la duración del vuelo 10 veces el adelanto sobre la hora de apertura del primer stargate. Con un ejemplo esto seria:</p> <p>Factor 10<br /> Start gate 10:00:00 horas<br /> Inicio del vuelo 9:59:00<br /> Fin vuelo (o ES): 10:59:00<br /> duración del vuelo real: 1 hora<br /> Adelanto: 1 min =&gt; penalización: 10 min<br /> duración vuelo penalizada 1:10:00</p> <p>Resultado final:<br /> Inicio vuelo: 10:00:00<br /> Fin vuelo: 11:10:00</p> <p>Bien pues el resultado que daría FS es el siguiente:<br /> Inicio vuelo: 10:00:00<br /> Fin vuelo: 11:09:00</p> <p>Creo que lo que hace es añadir la penalización al tiempo de terminación real de la prueba o ES (10:59:00 + 10 min = 11:09:00) y luego pone como inicio del vuelo el inicio del start gate (con lo cual se come 1 vez el adelanto).</p> <p>No se si lo hace mal o no es lo que yo pienso.<br /> Si estuviera mal la solución rápida es poner 1 mas para obtener un factor de 1 menos. O sea poner 11 para obtener un factor de 10.</p> <p>Lo podéis probar. Yo lo he probado con la formula Lineal y Gap.</p> <p>Chomin.<br /> -----------------------------------------<br /> Mientras algun alma caritativa lo traduce, toma resumen:</p> <p>Hello:</p> <p>Example:</p> <p>Factor: 10<br /> first Start gate time: 10:00:00<br /> Started SS: 9:59:00<br /> Finished SS: 10:59:00<br /> Flight time: 1:00:00<br /> Advancement: 1 min =&gt; penalization: 10 min<br /> penalized Flight time 1:10:00</p> <p>Correct Final results?????:<br /> Inicio vuelo: 10:00:00<br /> Fin vuelo: 11:10:00</p> <p>FS final results:<br /> Inicio vuelo: 10:00:00<br /> Fin vuelo: 11:09:00</p> <p>FS scores it well?</p> <p>Chomin. </p> http://fs.fai.org/forum/topic/cannot-download-fs#post-388 Mon, 25 Jan 2010 11:39:39 +0000 oyvellef 388@http://fs.fai.org/forum/ <p>Hi,</p> <p>Just tested to download here, works fine. I'm connected via Telstra Next-G wireless in Australia at the moment.</p> <p>May I suggest you try at another computer or provider?</p> <p>I've also sendt it to you at the email you posted.</p> <p>Best regards,<br /> - Oyvind </p> http://fs.fai.org/forum/topic/cannot-download-fs#post-387 Mon, 11 Jan 2010 08:57:54 +0000 andrewbridger 387@http://fs.fai.org/forum/ <p>My email is andrew dot bridger at gmail.com </p> http://fs.fai.org/forum/topic/cannot-download-fs#post-386 Mon, 11 Jan 2010 08:57:19 +0000 andrewbridger 386@http://fs.fai.org/forum/ <p>Hi,<br /> NZ Nationals HG comp coming up in 2 weeks so would like to use FS to score it. But I cannot download fs. I click on the link here: <a href="http://fs.fai.org/wiki/Fs1.2.13" rel="nofollow">http://fs.fai.org/wiki/Fs1.2.13</a>, but it eventually times out, with 0 bytes downloaded.</p> <p>Using Firefox 3.0.17. Also tried with IE but same problem. Is fs.tracklog.org down?</p> <p>Cheers </p> http://fs.fai.org/forum/topic/problems-on-gps#post-385 Thu, 05 Nov 2009 13:53:36 +0000 Finlay 385@http://fs.fai.org/forum/ <p>Hi all;<br /> I am an happy owner of Oregon 550t and I would like to know which method or guide to follow to visualize on the gps more independent tracks pieces simultaneously and together with the preloaded map.<br /> The problem is that if I load these tracks pieces as a single track (since in this gps is not possible to view more tracks at the same time), all the final parts of the pieces are connected with the beginning of the following piece making the vision very difficult.<br /> For this reason I would like to to convert the track to a map and then import it in the gps and put on top of the preloaded map.<br /> As an alternative i could first download the preloaded map from the gps to the pc, insert the track and import everything again.<br /> Note that is not important that the gps follow this track, It could only show it for example like a river; I don't need any navigation function but only see the track with no connecting lines between the pieces.<br /> Does someone of you know the procedure to do this as simple as possible?<br /> All what I have now are hundreds of tracks in .plt or .gpx format not joined and tens of km one far from the other; I must visualize all of them and togheter with the preloaded map.<br /> Thank you for every suggestion.</p> <p>__________________<br /> You have never see <a href='http://www.giftideashop.net/'>gifts</a> like these? (<a href='http://www.geschenk-ideen.biz/weihnachtsgeschenk.html'>weihnachts geschenke</a> on german or <a href='http://www.regalos-originales.biz/regalos-navidad.html'>regalo de navidad</a> on espanol), <a href='http://scuo.la/de/'>schule</a> </p> http://fs.fai.org/forum/topic/fscompe-flytec-brauniguer-is-there-a-bug#post-384 Wed, 04 Nov 2009 21:00:45 +0000 oyvellef 384@http://fs.fai.org/forum/ <p>Might be difference in log intervals, and the interpolation when pilot cross the line. If the Garmin is at 20 seconds, and Brauniger/Flytec will log immediately after crossing the line, you might get a 2-4 second difference.</p> <p>Stein Tore : We need some documentation about how the ES is calculated and interpolated in the FS Guide... </p> http://fs.fai.org/forum/topic/changes-to-the-fs-website#post-383 Wed, 04 Nov 2009 20:52:27 +0000 oyvellef 383@http://fs.fai.org/forum/ <p>Tickets and the Wiki is now usable again (I hope) after I had to close it due to massive Spam problems.</p> <p>Just use your existing forum user to log in to the main site and create tickets.</p> <p>There's also a new blog for news about the software, site, etc. All registered users can use the blog, please post about your experiences using the software in competitions! </p> http://fs.fai.org/forum/topic/gpsdump-440-and-flytec#post-382 Tue, 03 Nov 2009 20:41:14 +0000 SteinS 382@http://fs.fai.org/forum/ <p>Have just found the eror. Verion 4.41 is released. </p> http://fs.fai.org/forum/topic/gpsdump-440-and-flytec#post-381 Wed, 28 Oct 2009 00:18:46 +0000 rafalopez 381@http://fs.fai.org/forum/ <p>Hello, we completed the classification of a competition in Argentina.<br /> We have had problems using GPSdump 4.40, to download Flytec. I do not have any team now and sure to capture the screen.<br /> The GPSdump4.38 worked perfectly </p> http://fs.fai.org/forum/topic/developing-new-scoring-formula#post-380 Thu, 15 Oct 2009 00:13:26 +0000 xcjunky 380@http://fs.fai.org/forum/ <p>Hi, I would also like to know how to develop a new scoring formula. Can you please post details?</p> <p>Thanks<br /> Wayne </p> http://fs.fai.org/forum/topic/check-the-windows-open-time#post-379 Thu, 08 Oct 2009 00:19:21 +0000 rafalopez 379@http://fs.fai.org/forum/ <p>Make a change in the FS --&gt; Options Ignore missing tracklogpoint first turpoint...<br /> and working distance well removed from the pilot that took off with the window closed. </p> http://fs.fai.org/forum/topic/windows-open-time-check#post-378 Thu, 08 Oct 2009 00:18:26 +0000 rafalopez 378@http://fs.fai.org/forum/ <p>Make a change in the FS --&gt; Options Ignore missing tracklogpoint first turpoint...<br /> and working distance well removed from the pilot that took off with the window closed. </p> http://fs.fai.org/forum/topic/windows-open-time-check#post-377 Wed, 07 Oct 2009 05:01:33 +0000 rafalopez 377@http://fs.fai.org/forum/ <p>Hi I have noticed that if a pilot takes off after closed<br /> launch window .. The FS does not detect it and gets<br /> valid flight.<br /> In a little competition is not a problem, however<br /> verify 100 track is a bit cumbersome </p> http://fs.fai.org/forum/topic/check-the-windows-open-time#post-376 Wed, 07 Oct 2009 05:00:23 +0000 rafalopez 376@http://fs.fai.org/forum/ <p>Hi I have noticed that if a pilot takes off after closed<br /> launch window .. The FS does not detect it and gets<br /> valid flight.<br /> In a little competition is not a problem, however<br /> verify 100 track is a bit cumbersome </p> http://fs.fai.org/forum/topic/fscompe-flytec-brauniguer-is-there-a-bug#post-375 Fri, 02 Oct 2009 13:51:40 +0000 dlhenke 375@http://fs.fai.org/forum/ <p>I don't know if it is a bug from FLytec-Brauniger instruments or if it is a bug from Fscompe Flight analysis.</p> <p>The pilot crossing the ES have a compeo and a Garmin.<br /> The bug is 2 to 4 seconds between those two instruments when crossing SS or ES.<br /> I Have seen 2 at 10 seconds of difference between those instruments, and only in instruments from Brauniger and Flytec.</p> <p>I Dont know if is a bug of interpolation between the points of Compeo tracklog in Fscompe analysis, or if the COMPEO have those problems in the tracklog. </p> http://fs.fai.org/forum/topic/fixed-total-validity#post-374 Thu, 01 Oct 2009 13:28:46 +0000 rafalopez 374@http://fs.fai.org/forum/ <p>Hello I'm back to attack ... smile ...</p> <p>There is a big discussion ref. use the system to discard tasks FTV think it would be a good idea to begin evaluating their inclusion within the FS.<br /> some links:<br /> <a href="http://highcloud.net/geoff/xc/ftv.php?comPk=7" rel="nofollow">http://highcloud.net/geoff/xc/ftv.php?comPk=7</a><br /> <a href="http://ozreport.com/1168436741" rel="nofollow">http://ozreport.com/1168436741</a><br /> <a href="http://www.triptera.com.au/canungra/gap/ftv.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.triptera.com.au/canungra/gap/ftv.html</a> </p> http://fs.fai.org/forum/topic/dropped-task-scoring#post-373 Sat, 19 Sep 2009 12:27:39 +0000 matthewrosser 373@http://fs.fai.org/forum/ <p>Hola Rafa, </p> <p>¡Gracias por ayudarme.<br /> Todas las buenas obras, como una golosina. </p> <p>Recuerdos<br /> Matt </p> http://fs.fai.org/forum/topic/report-with-discard-task#post-372 Fri, 18 Sep 2009 22:47:53 +0000 oyvellef 372@http://fs.fai.org/forum/ <p>The Ticket system is down for the moment because of too much SPAM tickets. I will try to fix this in the next few days, but please be patient, I have much to do these days. </p> http://fs.fai.org/forum/topic/report-with-discard-task#post-371 Fri, 18 Sep 2009 17:31:44 +0000 rafalopez 371@http://fs.fai.org/forum/ <p>Please do not take into account this entry ..<br /> I wrote a moment with wrong thoughts </p> http://fs.fai.org/forum/topic/see-ticket-199#post-370 Wed, 16 Sep 2009 22:36:42 +0000 rafalopez 370@http://fs.fai.org/forum/ <p>There is a possible error.<br /> if ud. want to do a task: "enlapsed time with ground start.</p> <p>You should put the takeoff as a cylinder large enough to detect the launching of the pilot, 100 mts Maybe.<br /> however, if the pilot flying again short cylinder, FS took this as a start time when it should take your time off.<br /> I think it should add a box for taking the time to force its way through the first cylinder start point (at least for a task with ground start) </p> http://fs.fai.org/forum/topic/report-with-discard-task#post-369 Wed, 16 Sep 2009 22:30:28 +0000 rafalopez 369@http://fs.fai.org/forum/ <p>Hello I have a two problem<br /> 1.- not working ticket system ..<br /> 2.- with the team reports with discard task:<br /> PWC For example: If you have to classify different teams with the discard system, there is no way to specify how many jobs will be best classified xx.<br /> I can not find how.</p> <p>sorry muy bad english </p> http://fs.fai.org/forum/topic/dropped-task-scoring#post-368 Wed, 16 Sep 2009 22:27:01 +0000 rafalopez 368@http://fs.fai.org/forum/ <p>Ud. debe usar comp_result.cpr--&gt; top_x_tasks---&gt; numero de tareas a clasificar (en su caso 5 de 8) </p> http://fs.fai.org/forum/topic/task-time-display#post-367 Tue, 15 Sep 2009 06:57:16 +0000 matthewrosser 367@http://fs.fai.org/forum/ <p>Hi All,<br /> Something I would find useful is the individual Task time for each pilot being displayed in the Task Result window.</p> <p>The only way to see this to generate a report......</p> <p>Much easier to have it displyed in the Main Task Window next to task Distance completed by each pilot.</p> <p>Cheers<br /> Matt </p> http://fs.fai.org/forum/topic/dropped-task-scoring#post-366 Tue, 15 Sep 2009 06:42:06 +0000 matthewrosser 366@http://fs.fai.org/forum/ <p>Hi All,</p> <p>I was wondering if anyone has a way to caluclate dropped tasks from the Overall Competition Total in FS ?</p> <p>I have 8 Tasks &amp; would like to score the best 5 of each pilot to make the Overall result being the best/highest 5 of 8.</p> <p>Any ideas ?</p> <p>Cheers<br /> Matt </p> http://fs.fai.org/forum/topic/developing-new-scoring-formula#post-365 Wed, 09 Sep 2009 08:58:29 +0000 erXino 365@http://fs.fai.org/forum/ <p>Hi.</p> <p>Is it possible to develop my own formula?</p> <p>I don't know if there is a method (in the same way than the old Race) to develop a new scoring formula.<br /> The actual formulas are not so good for regional competition (almost here, in Spain), and we would like to use our own formula (called FAE in Race).</p> <p>Thanks!!!</p> <p>Íñigo </p> http://fs.fai.org/forum/topic/fs-1213-instalacion-en-linux-ubuntu#post-364 Wed, 02 Sep 2009 08:15:43 +0000 pablo_largo 364@http://fs.fai.org/forum/ <p>Hola Gente.<br /> Solucionado el problema.<br /> he actualizado a wine 1.1.26 y ya me corre perfectamente FS 1.2.13.<br /> Gracias</p> <p>Hello People.<br /> Fixed the problem.<br /> I upgraded to wine 1.1.26 and I already runs perfectly FS 1.2.13.<br /> Thanks </p>